For. Do you find managing crime and amenities across your vast empire micromanaging hell, well no more. And maybe that will change with 2. 35. You also do not need a transit hub on the. Also robots are cool. . Organic empire that can use robots-- build a robot assembly plant. ) At 15 pops -2,2 (-4,6 if techn. If you're making it a foundry world, it might be best to just use the rest of the building slots for housing buildings. The species trait Emotion Emulators lets you get from the base 4 to 5 amenities per maintenance job. I guess amenities are generally anything comfort related. 8. Also, techs are separated into tiers. With a robot design emphasizing low cost (Mass Produced. With transit hub, the chance is raised to 10% per month, or a mean time to resettle of 10 months. Share. Without synthetic they are only good for minerals. Regular empire factions can potencially give ALOT. Divinity of life Stats Snapshot from the Stellaris WikiFor anyone who ends up here asking the same question, many more traits is a pretty good mod. Organic empire that can use robots-- build a robot assembly plant. Oh ok got it. For example, an empire with only the basic robot tech can sell a robot on the slave market, then an empire with the synth tech can buy it and it instantly is considered a synth, then an empire with the droid. When you look at Seoo I, the primitives in your territory, they produce 11. Amenities represent the services other than housing that need to be available on a planet for pops to be happy. Also robots are cool. You only need to worry about amenities enough to avoid negative levels. Robots don’t always rebel. Because of the resource demands in the early game and factions, you might have more of a problem with stability as you expand. Short answer is, you really shouldn't be suffering from too much deviancy early on. 8. The latter is sufficiently advanced to be enslaved. The planet has maximum logistical bonus. 8 Agri-Drones) compared to 2 Alloys (or 0. You still need to care about amenities if you are a robot empire, and also crime (but it’s Deviancy). So basically "get gene clinic and do not care about amenities till you have 15 pops" vs "get holo-theathres and do not care about amenities for 25 pops". This is true, but gestalts robots also have superior population assembly to other empires. You need to. I think robots first is a good idea but rushing gene clinics isn't worth it. 2: 5 amenities -> 4 amenities. Planets without an atmosphere will also have less airborne dust. 8. Spiritualist is just dumb. A few days ago there was a post explaining that robots were nerfed to the ground and synth ascension was a waste of ascension points. second: rapid breeders, unruly, slow learners, adaptive. Slaves normally only take up . The tech is there because machine empires can build bioreactor & feed bio pops. If habitability is very low, you can consider waiting to get another species in your empire that can better colonize it, or until it can be terraformed. If you still need amenities then take the hit and shift slaves to Domestic Servitude to get them off of the unemployed pops. You can't get the benefits of both at the same time in the same species. Robot and machine species do not consume food, instead they consume energy. Do the same penalty for robots, but for 0 energy credits. Hi, I might be missing something obvious but neither Slaves nor 'free' Residents seem to be getting the bonus to happiness with positive amenities. General Chattel slavery usually gets many more additional bonuses over normal workers, hell it makes the best robots look tame when you have several stacked traits, slavery bonuses and worker bonuses all stacking up. Can do Total Wars. • 2 yr. Temple / Gene clinic provide amenities with some extra goodies. I’m “trying” to play a robot civ after getting megacorp, and I’m confused on how amenities affect robots This thread is archived. Robots, droids and synths are the exact same "species", the only difference is your technology. Every 100 growth required is 200 alloys, 500 energy, and 50 pop-months that the robots have to make up. For example, an empire with only the basic robot tech can sell a robot on the slave market, then an empire with the synth tech can buy it and it instantly is considered a synth, then an empire with the droid. If you're maxing out on resources you should be able to go far above 10k. Then move onto the next target. Add the -15% from aesthetic to it and you wont need any maintenance drone jobs on most worlds (as long as you have a fully upgraded Sensorium. At -4 a somewhat bigger effect, and -5 a bigger one still. Usually a gene clinic is my 1st building. See more posts like this in r/Stellaris. Robot assembly. Origins can add many things to your game, from special interests in robotics, to creating a paradise, to blowing up the planet only 50 years after your society began. First of the flesh is weak is still amazing for your organic pop and gives you +33% assembly speed. Ok, let's do the math here. Superconductive: +15% Energy Credits from Jobs. It is always crucial for players to maintain their lead in the galaxy by having a massive. Sometimes if you conquer a habitat that an AI built it won't have any other. Snapshot from the Stellaris Wiki Only reason you'd go pass level 2 is because you're role playing. If you enable pop control, then all robots will have a -10% to happiness. Biological is technically better when it comes to slave management but it's your. Robot Assembly Complex +2 Roboticist −8 −2: 600 800 100 Robotic Workers policy is. You can get up to 80% stability at 100% approval IIRC. 1) Need to be either authoritarian or xenophobe (not every ethic gets it) 2) Much Lower happiness, if you can't combat the crime. There really should be a way for mechanics and organics to coexist. S. Pops have a base amenity requirement of 1 Amenities, slaves require 0. You want your slaves to be not robots because they're your primary source of pop growth for your main species. Works well with the more trait points since most of the traits are very expensive and it adds stuff for robots. They may be positive, negative or mixed, identified by the color of the modifier's border. 75, and non-citizen Robots require 0. Just like in. Edit: I know drone storage and silos give amenities, but only a tiny amount. Clone vats are a simple 33% growth bonus in current stellaris. Keep in mind that both these traits cost 1 point each, so you can easily fit a third positive trait alongside them by taking a negative trait. Your main species is fine for gaia worlds and relic worlds, but anything else will require a different species. None of the authorities have enough impact on the game to be a bad choice. Specialist In all of the games lately, I am starting at 0 or negative amenities for every game I play as a robot. My driven assimilator neighbors and I are in a federation, and IF the assimilators declare the assimilation CB as a federation member you. When I say “worst,” I do not mean bad. As well as Stellaris Evolved and Bug Branch. Hello Stellaris Community, Shortly after the release of Astral Planes yesterday, we began receiving reports of players being unable to verify ownership of the new DLC. Nanites and Zro make it a science Hab. I do not see any reason to not use them unless it is for rp purposes. Modifiers applying: Robot Upkeep -20% from Fanatic MaterialistOnce players have researched the Megastructure they want to build, they'll next need to send a Construction Ship to begin the work, using the Megastructures tab in the ship's order menu. I'm not able to support a machine empire in the current patch, as it looks like the Maintenance Depots building has been removed in 2. At the moment, their main thing is early game pop growth - you can get quite a bit of early game growth, letting you get up and running faster before the normal bio empires catch up with robots. Never played Plantoid. 5) Secure your empire and turtle. Additional synths are created periodically in a modified Necrophage mechanic (elevating robots with uploaded minds and very expensive jobs duplicating existing bodies with primitive technology, so high consumer goods and alloy upkeep on those jobs) so most pops will be robots. It's one of the very few ways to survive when you get boxed in with no planets. . Oh ok got it. A big nerf on Drone edict: 25% pop growth -> 10% pop growth. Stellaris had always been about SciFi clichés, but they have missed a big one there, the Mechanicus from 40K. The massive increases in growth that the other paths give mean psychic has a hard time measuring up. You only need 1 amenities build 1 habitat district and 1 mineral synergy building to complete the hab. They're the machine equivilant of city districts. They can only resettle to a colony that has a vacant job for their strata or higher. No shit they need them, that doesn't mean you need to fill every job. If true then Psionics really need a way to keep up in pop growth. Normally you'd need a residential district or 2 and 6 mining bays with buildings as needed. They are still solved via a single Policy (AI Rights nowadays) and do not properly use the Species Rights System. Another drawback is the lack of choices in type of government and trait set up. If charismatic trait and maintenance drones are the only answeres, then, yes, it seems that Gestalt Hive do need more pop dedicated to amenities than other designs. Then i build what i really need like worlds with at least 2-3 districts of a kind get the corresponding ressource building (mineral purification plant, energy hub or food processing plant). In order for this mod to function, you must install these two mods and load them before this one: Animated Silicoid Portraits by Silfae. One of your farming robots so their traits are shown 3. • Robot Assembly Speed : +10% • Robot Upkeep : -5% • Production from Robots : +5%. just my 2 cents. However, every empire can farm, even if you don't use the food, you can sell it on the market or trade it to other empires (bioreactors are terrible and almost never worth a building. In case 2, there's more surplus amenities to go around, with fewer citizen pops to split them between – and yet the happiness bonus is smaller than in case. Pops is the main issue that must be solved compared to wide empires. For that I need robots. The shown amenities value is the available amenities value, or the surplus. A while ago I tried building robots with the new pop-system. This doesn't happen when I play but to verify I'll need some screenshots of the following: 1. . For the most part, though, Unruly is less detrimental than any 1-point downside even though it gives 2 points. With this in mind I want to get a bead on the pros and cons of researching synthetics. 2 I routinely had games where I would have more robots than people, which isn't possible without shooting yourself in the foot and crippling your own pop growth RN, which is a shame as playing a MI or heavy robot. 1. slaves (D. Late game every world can make do on just synapse drones, except my research focused worlds, which do run maintenance. For Hive Minds, when you need amenities you can either employee Maintenance Drones which are just clerks but even worse, or you can use a building slot to make the Unity building which also grants amenities. Most only have slight wording changes so that they make sense for a corporation. your machine pops need amenities because for them the amenities are spare parts. This doesn't really matter that much, as you'll get an end game crisis anyway and which one it is only really affects the flavor of it. Hive Minds and Machine Empires struggle with Amenities due to a deliberate design decision. 8 (aka "Gemini") was released on 2023-05-09 alongside the Galactic Paragons expansion. 2. The negative traits are really negative and make the early game even tougher to keep up. I think robots first is a good idea but rushing gene clinics isn't worth it. Surely job weights should be recalculated when amenities go negative due to growth, or a new building is constructed? In fact, shouldn't pop growth cause job allocations to be recalculated? Atm these 'optimisations' have introduced serious bugs where planets will sit at negative amenities for extended periods, while having entertainer jobs idle. Futurama - Bender’s apartment. Gene clinic for 10 amenities at cost of 2 pops and consumer goods, or 1 consumer good for 5 amenities Holo-Theatres for 20 amenities/2 unity or 1 consumer good for 10 amenities + 1 unity. They are all good choices, and picking your favorite is never a mistake. it really depends on what you need and what you're planning to do, but the research districts are great, and focusing one or two of the ringworld sections on agriculture will ensure no one in your empire will ever go. Driven assimilators (A pop-stealing build) Can do Total Wars. They are better pops than even gene mod can make; basic cyborgs aren’t even close. 55 organic growth per month + 2 robot assembly per month, assuming you can get the full +1. And you only need TEN pops to upgrade the habitat building- and then the assembler! 4) The +20% Amenities trait is S tier now. For sapient robots it would be made 0. City districts provide maintenance drone jobs which are your source of. They do however receive the malus from negative amenities. 4) Do Drops in the Ocean with the paranoid dude you just got, pick paranoid lines until you get Maniacal. 8 Maintenanec Depots, 7 Sentinel Posts, 75 pops (Assume the remaining jobs are filled by districts). You just need to hit zero, although low positives is better than low negatives. You do not need a transit hub for auto-resettle to happen. I'm doing a wide genetic ascension path run and if I give my robots citizens rights it's going to break my economy with all the consumer goods needed, not to mention the housing. Space amishs who don't want robots and tomb world, period. And giving the robots citizen rights kinda defeats their purpose if you play as an organic civ. So, we can see where the sector numbers. 42 Badges. With respect amenities is vague reference to medical help, since it comes from entertainment building. factor = 1. At -3 as amall effect. from there you can build what you need: laboratories mostly, bureaucratic buildings, refineries, apartments. Build the specialized building for the resource you are extracting. So a world where I have 8+ mining districts I just fill the planet with those districts add maybe one or two city districts then if I need more power or food I only add a district or two to not jeopordise the planet speciality. And Spawning Drones are the best pop-assembly job in the game; same pop assembly as a Roboticist, but with the added benefit of producing Amenities and having lower job upkeep (5 Food (0. - 2x if has ascension perk Voidborne. actually, the only civs i've played that needed lots of amenity buildings were gestalts. Red_Crystal_Lizard. Then I build a Robot Assembly, after that I build either a Farm or Mining District (my Capital is usually specialized in Energy and Research), in part so that my Robots can find Jobs in case they’re not Droids yet. Low stability is what reduces resources from jobs (-1% per stability below 50) 1. It just seems to be a general problem with Gestalts. 75 housing while livestock/domestics take up 0. 36 food and consumes 9. Most of what it addd is just bigger versions of the vanilla traits, basically more points for more effect but it's the same idea for the traits. The pop growth is too small to matter given how poor the amenity output is. • 3 yr. has_trait = trait_robot_superconductive. Slight to Sharp increase on energy. Having extra amenities gives up to +20% happiness, and those robot pops open up more building slots without needing to waste districts/buildings on housing (particularly good on habitats where housing is at a premium). I can agree that robots dont need chairs, beds, or anything like cg (I would argue that looking at researchers), but i cant agree that hive mind pops dont need so, especially if they are not fully one minded but semi-individuals (look at leaders), but even so, each organic life needs to sleep, and not all organisms can sleep while staying, and. This typically requires somewhere between 16-18 pops living on the planet with excess housing available. If you give your robots citizen rights this will 100% not happen. Slaves are the property of the owners and cannot legally withdraw from the status of being property without the consent of the owner. With cyborgs its just 1/8. Doesn't make sense, as oxygen is already very corrosive. The5lacker Banned. If you dont stop their pop growth or neuter it you have to struggle with energy, minerals, food and amenities. 6. Robots and housing. You can also set up Robot Assmbly Worlds - build a habitat or two and only construct a Robot Assembly Plant on them. Then, every so often, just resettle the robots to your production worlds. This includes weird worlds where there is limited mineral and energy deposits. Now let's mention that I am in no way stating that this is the absolute best type of way to play a race, this is just my take on Hive Mind, and how it helped me to master the basics of Stellaris. They (Paradox) can, and arguably should, leave the inability to give robots Full AI Rights (barring e. Most likely, it's my shoddy search terms but, regardless, Imma ask here. (The mod assumes the default game setting value of 1. In theory robots do have a weak late-game compared to standard organic empires, but their early-game advantage will put you so far ahead that it doesn't matter. undercoveryankee. Mostly because they can grow pops very fast at the start of the game. Tier III Synthetics can take all jobs except Ruler strata, and Personality Matrix tech allows them to take Ruler jobs and you to. Give the robo planet to your local spiritulists, two birds with one stone. -Robots dont get any growth speed that is integral for your capital and making colonies useful. This will make food-intensive economies like cloning vats supportable via tribute. Amenities are the stuff that makes pops happy, like flat screen TVs and movies. 3) Do Rainbow in the Dark with any scientist, this gives him Paranoid. So, thrifty is a must for traits. The automation disabled extra amenities jobs when there were other specialist jobs available though I am not sure would it disable the jobs if there were no specialist jobs open. DeanTheDull • Necrophage • 1 yr. Since this civic changes the way amenities are normally generated, robots can be a huge drain on your planetary amenities. 1: you get amenities from resource storage building, but els yes, it is way harder to get. That will be a. I believe robots come in 3 levels, robots, droids, synths. They give very few jobs, and the jobs they do provide are low-value. I believe that they do, If they didn't consume housing, they would be very unbalanced. These reports began as a sporadic issue that gradually worsened as the time passed since release. But as things stand right now in 3. If you already play with robot this a probably the best first ascension step and a great second ascension perk. If you really want to, you can go to the jobs tab and simply disable the Roboticist jobs. 5. They shouldn't benefit from the despotic empire bonus unless they were sufficiently advanced to be enslaved to begin with. 3, and driven assimilator is an exceedingly strong variation on top of that. 2: 5 amenities -> 4 amenities. At -1 there is a very, very tiny effect. Go to Stellaris r/Stellaris. The only real bonus to prosperous unification considering that, is the special capital bonus, but even that is largely negated by you not having to pay any consumer goods, food, etc for the 12 robots from mechanist. Stellaris is an excellent game, but its graphics aren't necessary its best selling point. High amenities can boost stability. Emotion Emulators: +20% Amenities from Jobs Double-Jointed: −10% Pop Housing Usage Repurposed Hardware: –25% Leader Experience Gain When playing as. I don’t think you can take the synth ascension as a machine, since becoming a machine is the next step after becoming a synthetic. On bigger, urban, worlds you can end up with half the building slots used for maintenance buildings. I for sure agree with the robot assemblies being a higher priority. Is there any way to manage robots now and, if not,. Keep moving bio pops off the planet beyond the necessary to keep it stable (the two ruler pops) and just have the robots do the work. There's no point in using 1-point downside traits for robots, as Luxurious and High Bandwidth are the least impactful downsides and give a total of 4 points between them so there's no circumstance you'd ever need to take a 1 point. Sometimes if you conquer a habitat that an AI built it won't have any other district options to provide jobs and unlock building slots, but that's the only case you would ever consider them. Having high Amenities will increase Stability. The need to have tons of pops just. The fact robots take amenities probably covers this, since typically with machines you don't need to replace bulk sections of their bodies constantly. Pre synth : 8. So the first issue is that MEs always have shortages of stability and amenities in this patch. Pops grow slower in the early game, and require higher resource investments to build. Traits. Though to be honest colonozing planets via droids is kinda reduntant in 2. What pops are working the medical worker jobs and again one of them selected to show traitsYou want slightly above 0 income of resources like food or consumer goods that mainly get used for upkeep. Midgame though if you want to play tall, definitely transition into habitats in the systems you wish to develop. Don't bother with robots with this origin. No exceptions. The aim of this guide is to give some insight and information to new. They're not intelligent. has_trait = trait_ingenious. It is really unfortunate that this is so incredibly exploitable. The shipset does not have NSC classes. I mean, you can easily store a robot somewhere. Some of these sites, like Message In The Canopy and Debris. The AI uprising is easily the nastiest event in the entire game so I generally make do without robots. If there are still any native pops on the planet, it's going to be a very messy time until you finally rid the planet of its population. Droids are midgame tech even if you exclusively do research. Final note. -5% Amenities usage is actually really good but even then +10% build speed isn't worth the -5% amenities usage in a somewhat normal empire. However, every empire can farm, even if you don't use the food, you can sell it on the market or trade it to other empires. Darvin: Using Medical Workers instead of Entertainer will leave you low on Unity. Search titles only. It’s absolutely required. • 5 yr. The only issue I found so far is the bug where unemployed slaves/robots don’t lead to new buildings, as the AI doesn’t consider whether pops can. Granted that Servitude Robots will never be as productive as biological pops, I am aiming to exploit their only advantages: super low maintenance cost and 200% Habitability. 8, which pays itself off in 25 months. So I need to move over robots that were working productive jobs just to provide amenities for the biotrohies (because it's gonna take 6 years to build new robot pops) Now, one of the main things about biotrophies are that they increase the output of other workers. This will grant you enough jobs and housing. In terms of building priorities, your first build slot is always a robot assembly. In fact, the tomb world one is better for a couple of reasons: You need one pop to keep the colony alive. Zergor. Go with psionic or biological. Because Stellaris handles modifiers stacking additively, and because consumer goods upkeep is considered under the umbrella of all upkeep for robots, it is possible to double-dip into both robot upkeep and pop consumer goods upkeep reductions. MoO1 lets you send population traveling between planets over time. Feasible, although challenging. Scaramok • 3 yr. 66 (Umbra) +11. Outlawing robotic workers will dismantle all robots within an empire. 5. Regular empire factions can potencially give ALOT. updates the planetary capital, this also gives you amenities job, from there some city districts if needed for building slots and more amenites. After base amenities upkeep is determined, it can be modified by species, planet, or empire modifiers. The main difference is one species can migrate and one cannot, so if you want your species to be able to migrate between your own planets, you need to prioritize which robot/synth gets built in the assembly section on each planet. Low amenities reduces happiness (-2% per missing amenity) which lowers pop approval rating, reducing stability and increasing crime. Using +20% amenities trait helps you squeeze out more. SmartForARat • Necrophage • 2 yr. Mass Produced for more assembly speed is also a really good bonus. My robo-pops don't seem to mind the lack of amenities. Traits Intelligent Rapid breeders or budding. We'll assume the two colonist jobs are filled first and that your first colony is the assumable 80% habitability (demanding 1. This is a fair point. Ascetic civic and networked amenities edict. There is no reason a civic should override a cap. I think it's pretty much blameless. Slaves do not exist to non-slave pops. 6: true, but some of those also have negative effect, that machine dont gets, and same with sactions, some effect machines others dont so much. Boring. In reality organics need a lot of resources on them also. So there should be some way to rectify this, even if it is a policy you can set or unset. So, if you play Residents, you have to really micromanaging Species as well. ) So yes: You'll need to get your holo-theater as 3rd, instead of you're 4th building and you'll take a small stab hit at 9 pops. This article is mainly aimed at newcomers, or at least past players returning after a long break, but hopefully even veteran players will be able to. Stellaris Wiki Active Wikis. Generally speaking, yes, if you see a planet with at least decent habitability, colonize it. or do i build gene clinic on those worlds first Don't build gene clinics, they are one of the worst buildings in the game. When playing as Rogue Servitor, most planets tend to get two Drone Storage Buildings for the Amenities (Housing is ridinkulously abundant - Amenities ain’t), and I’ll upgrade one of them, except on major planets I’ll upgrade both of them. Initially robots can only produce amenities as clerks or as robotic servants. Traits. What pops are working the medical worker jobs and again one of them selected to show traits You want slightly above 0 income of resources like food or consumer goods that mainly get used for upkeep. Economy: You need a strong economy to fund your war. Sharp decrease in amenities for robots using amenities. Take synchronicity traditions, then I take the AP that reduces amenities. Grand strategy games are made or unmade by their AI capabilities. If you don't have droids and domestic protocols then I don't even know how you've filled up on robots. +10% Robot Upkeep. This time I was roleplaying as an ancient, pragmatic but ultimately benevolent artificial intelligence. Bio-trophies need a damn 400 minerals per 10 pops to have jobs, they need food an amenities out the rear port. Yeah, you have to choose between domestic or indentured servitude. Also servant I think that's the status, is a specialized type of slave that requires nearly nothing and gives basically free amenities. Has an opinion penalty with other empires for being an assimilator: -100 (individualists) -200 (spiritualists) -1000 (Democratic Crusaders) -1 replicator job & +1 maintenance drone job from capital buildings. ago. Prioritize Energy Production: As a Machine Empire, your main resource is energy. Do you find managing crime and amenities across your vast empire micromanaging hell, well no more. Further, this is still more efficient than automation is. The pop growth is too small to matter given how poor the amenity output is. Since robots do not live under the Dystopian living standards, they still require 0. They work somewhat like housing, in that supply and demand are calculated separately for each planet, but most of your Amenities will be created by pops holding suitable jobs and not by your. With a robot design emphasizing low cost (Mass Produced. It also produces 5 amenities for 1 Consumer good. The second thing to take into account is that, unless you take the Droids and Synths techs, Robots can only do basic level jobs. It’s not a case of habitats being bad for robots, it’s more that their 100% habitability on all planets goes against the tall playstyle. Jump to latest Follow Reply. entertainers (especially slave entertainers) are ok for unity as they cost only 1cg upkeep and the amenities surplus improve stability therefore output. Intentionally overproducing amenities doesn't seem worth it. These mods add ethic choices and civics to gestalts. Build lots of habitats and then ring worlds when you get. Needless to say that there's no chance they can survive that. *. This means that it can be very worthwhile to stay out of penalty, but the benefits of surplus amenities just aren't worth it. If a pop is free, sentient and unemployed, they have a 10% (5% on beta) to resettle each month. I've been doing well with hive minds, but there is one aspect to running a hive mind that baffles me: amenities and stability. They just eat much needed minerals, need research and an assembly plant, this is coming from a non DLC standpoint so no full robot civ conversion, just standart robots. . This seems like the obvious choice for spiritualists, but there's an issue. Get in there and wipe them out ASAP. After base amenities upkeep is determined, it can be modified by species, planet, or empire modifiers. As for Prosperous Unification, it's value lies in snowballing; first 50 years are the most important time in the game, as far as competitive gaming is concerned. 6 or so per pop. Stellaris Manage Crime & Amenities with planet Automation. Chattel slaves can only do worker jobs but a have small buff to their productivity. Acoasma. Please note, this post isn't about the use of Robots being weak or strong. MEs don't get commercial zones, so they don't get that +10 Trade AND Amenities per building with no upkeep or material cost. 05 with Flesh is weak). This means, you have to build droid pops on one of your planets (btw robots automatically upgrade to droids, if you have them) and then build colony ship on the same planet and choose droids for its passengers. cornyclassic •. Because Stellaris is so bad about preventing snowballing, it’s way easier to play wide than tall. Servitude slavery) and robots (D. - When reaching 10 pops, upgrade your main building (to remove the -50% pop growth) and build a civilian factory. Unless they need amenities or housing I'll only build alloy foundries on forgeHabs, civ industries on indHabs, and so on. Through Rogue servitor struggle a lot less, due to bio-trophy happiness greatly increasing your stability.